Episode 9: Fitness & Wellness- The Transcript
[00:00:04.770] - Ashley
Welcome to Nutrition Navigators Podcast- Bringing Nutrition & Wellness To You
Together we learn from a variety of health professionals, about their stories and how they contribute to the world that is wellness.
Our program is called Nutrition Navigators where we aim to help college student Navigate Nutrition on and off campus, we focus on diversity and work to make wellness a less stressful place were all bodies are celebrated! We are a monthly podcast where we interview health professionals in the field about health and wellness topics for college students. This is our opportunity to grow and build community with University of Arizona.
My name Ashley Munro and I am one of the nutrition counselors at Campus Health and the advisor for Nutrition Navigators.
On today’s episode we have Leah and Jake from Campus Recreation on our show!
Jake Minnis has been working for Campus Recreation at the University of Arizona as the Fitness and Wellness Coordinator since 2017. Before working at UArizona, Jake worked as a Graduate Assistant for the Department of Wellness at Oklahoma State University, where he received a B.S. in Health Education and Promotion and an M.S. in Applied Exercise Science. He currently holds certifications with ACE as a Personal Trainer and Group Fitness Instructor, as well as a CSCS through the NSCA. Along with the rest of the Fitness and Wellness team, Jake oversees the Fitness staff and the Group Fitness, Personal Training, Wellness, and Small Group Training programs.
Leah has been working for Campus Recreation at the University of Arizona as the Fitness and Wellness Coordinator for two years. Leah holds a B.A. in Psychology from George Washington University and completed her Graduate Assistantship and M.S. in Sport Business at Temple University. She is also in her first year of her PhD in Health Behavior Health Promotion (Public Health) at the University of Arizona. Leah has held a variety of roles in the fitness industry, including commercial, corporate, boutique, collegiate recreation, and private fitness. She currently holds her ACE Group Fitness Instructor and Personal Trainer certifications. Additionally, she completed her RYT-200 in 2019 and is currently pursuing her 300-hour RYT. Along with the rest of the Fitness and Wellness team, Leah oversees the Fitness staff and the Group Fitness, Personal Training, Wellness, and Small Group Training programs.
**And just a note that all the content on the podcast is for a general audience is intended to be for informational and educational purposes only and is not a substitute for individual medical or mental health advice.
Now, let’s welcome Leeah and Jake to the show!!
[00:00:04.770] - Ashley
Today I am so excited. We have Leah and Jake on the podcast with us today, from Campus Rec. Could each of you introduce yourselves to our listeners and just kind of warm us up, let us know who you are, what it is you do at the University of Arizona. Yeah, go ahead and get started.
[00:00:28.080] - Jake
My name is Jake, and I am one of the fitness and wellness coordinators at the University of Arizona Campus Recreation. I am from Oklahoma, but I've been here for the at the U of A for a little over three years now. Been working in the fitness and wellness field for just about 11 years. The current certifications I hold are ACE personal trainer and group fitness instructor and a certified strength conditioning specialist (CSCS).
[00:01:02.030] - Leah
My name is Leah Callovini, I am the other fitness and wellness coordinator at Campus Recreation. I have been at the UofA two years this month, which is really exciting. I'm originally from Pennsylvania, but I've kind of bounced all over the East Coast the last 10 or so years. I am going into my 10th year in the fitness industry. It's really exciting to be hitting that milestone. I think my priority right now is I have my two hundred hour registered yoga teacher certification and I'm studying for my three hundred hour right now, which I hope to finish the summer. And then also a fitness instructor ACE personal trainer and about five other things as well.
[00:01:47.750] - Ashley
That's awesome, a variety there. If I can ask, what brought you each into fitness? Was it something you were always interested in? Was it something specific?
[00:02:01.720] - Jake
I think for me, when I was in high school, I was in multiple sports, of course was in a very small school in high school. There were multiple sports that I could participate in. The problem was I was really never good at any of those sports, but I was very passionate about it. What I was good at was, I was really good at lifting weights. And I knew at a young age that I wanted to help develop individuals, young men and women specifically. And so the combination of those got me started on looking into, OK, what can I do with the both of these? So that kind of got my gears rolling into fitness and wellness and then also student development as a whole.
[00:02:47.210] - Leah
Yeah. I took a little bit longer to kind of figure out my home and fitness, so when I went to college, I wanted to go to medical school, so I did like all the medical requirements and everything. And I started teaching cycling classes at my rec center where I went to undergrad, because I took a cycle class before I was certified with this girl who was in my pre-med program as well. And we sort of had like a rivalry, if you would say.
[00:03:18.020] - Leah
And I didn't know she taught cycling and I took her class and it just wasn't really my vibe. And so I came out of it maybe a little petty, but like, what do these things differently. I think I could be a good instructor. Like, I have the confidence in everything. That maybe saying something about my personality that I went and got certified and fell in love with it. And then I took a nutrition class. When I was in college, I had elective credit available and I kind of rethought my whole trajectory, my career. I realized I didn't want to treat disease. I wanted to help prevent disease. And so I ended up going the fitness route.
[00:03:58.700] - Ashley
I think we sometimes get there in like a roundabout way right? People kind of can inspire or motivate us. Maybe she was not an inspiration, but a motivation for change.
[00:04:12.130] - Leah
Very much so.
[00:04:15.140] - Ashley
Today we were kind of hoping to discuss: What is campus rec offer? What is the rec center offer? I think the podcast can serve as this opportunity for students to learn more about what's available to us on campus. Also not only what what the REC offers, but maybe something you think students don't realize is available to them at the rec center. Even just this morning I was talking to a student and I was letting them know that there was a virtual option, because I think they were talking about wanting to do yoga or wanting to do something, but like nothing being open.
[00:05:01.050] - Ashley
We were just talking about how the rec center has some virtual options. And they didn't know that. Just as a way to kind of let students know what it is you have and what maybe would be surprising to them that you offer.
[00:05:16.080] - Leah
Great. Thank you for putting that out there for us. Yes, we are doing virtual yoga and other group fitness classes online in the situation we're currently in. As a whole campus rec, of course, is two buildings.
[00:05:32.250] - Leah
Right. So people kind of know us as the two buildings. But there's so much that happens not just inside of the buildings that we do, but also outside of the buildings in the community as well. Some of the biggest program areas, what we call them in campus rec that operate out of this organization, we have informal sports leagues and intramurals where you can join either on a team with your friends or join as a free agent. That's a great way to kind of meet people. I've done the entire intramurals myself through the rec. It is a lot of fun and just a good way to be unconsciously active, if you will. If you do like to play sports, we do more organized club sports through campus rec as well. So if you played maybe in high school but didn't want to do D1 athletics or anything in college, it's a great option. Outdoor Recreation is one of our most popular program areas. Given our geographic location, with all the hiking and camping that's around.
[00:06:28.210] - Leah
They do everything from like trainings, wilderness, first responder trainings, to guided trips and guided hikes and things like that. It looks a little bit different now with covid. They've really had to kind of scale back and adapt, as all of us have. What they've done is really interesting. So I highly encourage everybody to check out the website and hiking guides that they've created. We also have a rental center through outdoor rec. We know that camping equipment can be super expensive outdoor equipment. So you can go and pay a rental fee and have access to really good quality equipment and talk to the staff about what they recommend and everything. So and then, of course, part of our facilities, we have the pool, the aquatics area, and we do a lot of pool programming, certifications, classes, lessons. If you wanted to learn how to swim or learn how to swim better.
[00:07:20.550] - Ashley
I wish I would have known that in college, I really wanted to learn how to swim better, and I I think that was a barrier to going to the pool is like, I'd love to swim laps, that sounds super awesome, but I don't really know what I'm doing, and don't want to look like a dead fish. So I didn't know you could. I didn't know you folks had lessons. That's cool.
[00:07:36.890] - Leah
We do. We have adult lessons as well. Not just youth lessons, but also for adult swimmers. And our assistant director of aquatics, Drake, is super passionate about preventing drowning deaths because Arizona's pretty high in drowning deaths in the country. He has made it a mission. He and I talk about this a lot because I'm a public health person as well, and he views it as a public health issue. So I guess fundamentally that's one of the ways that we try to be inclusive and build a healthier community and maybe in an unconventional way.
[00:08:12.510] - Leah
Also, what a lot of people don't know is there are a lot of nontraditional students at Arizona who may come back and get their degree after having a family or working for several years. We have a lot of veterans who maybe are later in life that come back. We have a really wide array of youth programs. We do break camps and summer camp and everything, and there's discounts for students who want to put their kids in camp and for employees and staff as well. It's really a really robust program. Our youth coordinator is incredible. She has so much experience working with kids and it's just a really, really solid structure for kids to come in and have a great time using some of the resources that we have in the Rec and trying different activities. So I talked about everything but fitness there because I'm sure we're going to talk a lot more about what we do in fitness as we kind of answer the rest of the question.
[00:09:16.340] - Jake
I just want to I just want to kind of talk about a little bit more is the professional staff that we have at Campus Recreation. They're really passionate for their specific areas, as well as the development of young men and women. With that comes with a bunch of other staff options that we also have a campus recreation for individuals who may need a job.
[00:09:41.060] - Jake
All of those programs that we have provided, half students, staff positions, as well as facilities, which we didn't talk about at facilities or more of what you see in the weight room within. Being able to go in the weight room or purchasing equipment or whatever may be within the professional staff. But there's also a student staff opportunities as well, for manager position. So leadership positions or even just baseline positions just working on the weight room staff floor. There's a lot of different opportunities on campus recreation. With two facilities we have we have a lot of opportunities to be able to come in and grow with a bunch of different options.
[00:10:20.630] - Ashley
That's awesome. And just meeting like what a convenient place to work on campus, too, because they're just like you're on campus, you're close. Maybe you have an interest in the fitness world and you want, what a great resume builder and just experience for making sure it's what you want to do, if that's kind of something you're trying out or testing out as a profession. I'm always amazed at how much is packaged into lots of the different areas on campus, like we just do so much and offer so much to the students.
[00:10:59.240] - Ashley
Amazed daily and proud. Like what a great place to kind of come to work every day. As part of the podcast, it's nutrition navigators in general and campus health, we have an on campus. Everyone, I think, has this drive to celebrate diversity and talk about inclusion so together as a community. We can function in a very respectful way and celebrate ways that people are different and understand that. How or what do you think the Rec in particular has or is doing that makes it a place that people feel like they are represented or it's inclusive for them?
[00:11:49.990] - Jake
Yes, so we have another as we talked about this, there's different there's different offerings that we have within our programming. A lot of those different programs as well also have virtual offerings. So for individuals who may not feel quite comfortable yet coming into the facility, who may not have quite of an understanding, but kind of want to get their feet wet, and we do have especially now a lot of virtual offerings within that. We try to meet all the different needs of different individuals that may come in.
[00:12:22.090] - Jake
So specifically when we're talking about fitness, we try to make sure that we are very neutral within our language, that we're making individuals feel comfortable when they come into our fitness classes, when they participate in personal training. A lot of that has to do with with the language that we use. We try to teach our staff to be very inclusive and with what specifically their language. This also includes in regards to the fitness side, how we are cueing and the different options that we have that are available.
[00:12:56.050] - Jake
Within our cueing, we try to make sure that we open it up to a bunch of different fitness skills and abilities, and that goes within the options that we provide. Whether you're a beginner wanting to jump in and try out a class or whether you're a seasoned veteran wanting to come in and really increase your athletic performance or increase your goals or get to a particular point. All of our classes and our personal trainers are trained to make sure that we give you the options available to make sure that you can reach that particular goal. Making sure that either we can have both of these very wide ranges of individuals in our classes, which also include from 18 years old to 90 something years old.
[00:13:44.860] - Jake
We have a very wide range of the UofA community coming in. So making sure that, if they are providing a squat, that maybe that we provide a specific regression to that squat for individuals not singling anyone out, but giving everyone the option to participate in that progression. The same goes for the progressions. So making that squad a little bit harder if you choose to do so. One of the big things that we try to be able to provide within our fitness programming is tell people that this is your class, this is your fitness journey. You move at your own pace and do what you want.
[00:14:18.190] - Jake
We have a specific area energy system that you need to reach during the class. However, that does not mean that you actually need to be able to actually hit that point. If you're having a rough day, do what you need to do.
[00:14:32.900] - Ashley
It's like everyone's personal perceived exertion is different. That's right. I love that because it is meeting people where they're at and letting them take up space in a way that feels really good in their body. I actually like the language piece, too, because I love when you go to a class and someone isn't telling me really diet culture type stuff, like you burn off that X, Y or Z that you had yesterday, or kind of using those more shame and blame tactics that we know, from the research and just from experience that just don't work, but really kind of inspiring this.
[00:15:12.880] - Ashley
"Do what feels really good in your body", "take up space". Here are some options. Like I love that you provide people with options. I love when you take a class and they say, like if you have some lower back pain right now, if you're feeling something here, like this is a way you could kind of change it up so that you don't feel pain because you want you want movement to feel good, because that's how you go back to doing it again and again.
[00:15:42.460]
I think we've dispelled that myth of "no pain, no gain." I think people are like, I want this to be a good experience. It sounds like the space is welcoming in that sense, too. For virtual? That's a great option. If people aren't ready to go in person, that can mean like maybe "I've never done yoga before." "I've never done this fitness experience before." And I don't maybe want people watching my form. Maybe I'm uncomfortable in my body or I don't see my body represented in these classes. I would think virtual, that would be a nice option for folks when they're just kind of trying out a new fitness menu. Would you say that, that you've seen that to be true?
[00:16:34.290] - Leah
Definitely, and we really kind of instilled in our instructors that it's very unnatural and weird to be teaching over Zoom with nobody's cameras on but too bad, people need to feel comfortable.
[00:16:48.360] - Leah
And it could it maybe it's not their fitness level. Maybe it's that they live in a household that they're not really totally comfortable showing to the world. That's it's about changing our mindset to as professionals that like, yeah, it's not necessarily as enjoyable. A lot of us, myself included, I get into this business to make connections with folks. It's harder, but we're there to serve them. And if that's what they need and they need to keep their camera off and they showed up, that's so much more important than us feeling comfortable in our space, it's our job to make them feel comfortable in their space and their bodies.
[00:17:33.180] - Ashley
It is about them, so they might be feeling like, wow, really connected to you as the instructor, because while there cameras not on necessarily your cameras on, so they can feel connected to you. And at the end of the day, like if we're inspiring people to want to move and feel good in their bodies, like that's that's a big piece of it, is they felt really connected to the person instructing them today.
[00:17:56.250] - Leah
We hope for that and the other piece of it, too, is that we recognize that a lot of folks don't have equipment and so it may be conducive for them to do class at home on their carpet. If they don't have a yoga mat, they're probably not going to be as compelled to walk in the doors of the facility, even if there are mats to borrow. I'm somebody that always brings my own, because I am a little bit of a germophobia, even in normal times. So they may just feel as though they can't meet what's expected of them or something like that, even though we don't hold anybody to that expectation that we walk in with the yoga mat, that's why we have them.
[00:18:34.600] - Leah
But it may just make somebody who doesn't feel that they have the proper clothing or a commitment also feel like they can participate. And that's also partially why we've kept our classes, at least as of right now. The virtual option's free so that we are hopefully reaching more folks that really need these options but are maybe limited by budget, especially in the pandemic.
[00:18:58.960] - Jake
That's just to add on that that's something that we're really going to be looking for, looking to try to add more of once we move forward. I think this gave us a good opportunity to do to be able to offer some of those free programming. And to be able to show that it does work so we can offer these for the future.
[00:19:17.410] - Jake
For some people that may have limitations regardless, even when we do have pricing in within of our personal training or group fitness classes, we are able to offer it as the best in town within those prices, we try to make it as portable as possible to where we're we're just being able to get by within being able to pay our instructors, but also giving a great quality product, especially for the true the cost that we provide for the students, faculty and staff.
[00:20:01.900] - Ashley
Will virtual continue to be a piece of what campus offers?
[00:20:09.110] - Leah
So it's funny. Every year we have a sit down meeting with our director, we talk about visions for the future. And so every single year it's let's think about virtual, let's think about virtual. But we've had bigger fish to fry. Opening North Rec last year. So we're like, let's just get this rolling. We're rolling out new programs in North Rec. And then we had F45 and we're trying to build up so many things at once. The pandemic was a little bit of a diversion for us from some of those other things that we thought were more pressing. Now we've had this opportunity to build up our online programming and we're going to continue doing that for sure. And it just kind of forced us to prioritize. And now we have that. We don't want to get rid of that. We're just going to have to learn how to balance even more opportunities when things are. I don't want to say normal, but back to a little bit more of what we were used to pre-pandemic.I
[00:21:04.610] - Ashley
I think I think students appreciate the variety and offerings anyway. And I think it has caused a lot of programming on campus just to adapt with the times.
[00:21:57.630] - Ashley
How can students feel more comfortable and motivated to engage with the rec center if they're if they're not feeling so comfortable right now for whatever reason? I think there's a variety of things that get in the way. We've touched on a couple of them today. But what do you hope if students take away one thing that they could take away from what the what campus recreation has to offer?
[00:22:23.550] - Leah
Yeah, that's a great question, because there are so many different, reasons or fears or misconceptions. I think the biggest thing that we are doing as a professional staff is trying to learn and unlearn ourselves and understand more about our community always so that we can create a more inclusive space for folks that come in.
[00:22:50.700] - Leah
A lot of times kind of having tough conversations behind closed doors. But we as pro staff have to do the work to know how to offer more inclusive programming, whether it be for marginalized groups or folks who maybe have a disability or any number of reasons that they feel uncomfortable coming in. Maybe just a lack of experience with exercise, maybe a negative past experience with exercise. We feel pretty strongly as professionals that if we do the work on ourselves, it will trickle down to our students staff.
[00:23:23.880] - Leah
Right now about three hundred of them. So they are interacting way more with the campus community directly than we are. It really falls on us to make sure that they are the ones who are fostering this community and they do an incredible job and we learn from them all the time. That comes into it, is we have to have cultural humility. We try to instill that in ourselves and each other and hold our network accountable. The 40 of us, of the professional staff, and then that will hopefully translate to the students is what we want.
[00:24:05.390] - Jake
I think that the students to be able to come out what kind of walk we're trying to do and help students understand or any individual understand who's listening is, is we do have a bunch of offerings.
[00:24:19.880] - Jake
And if you are looking to start up or are looking to come to the Rec, but don't feel quite comfortable yet. First, just try to look at the offerings that we have, as we mentioned at our website, being able to post that on their website is a great resource to be able to see what we have. You can also within the staff directory on there on campus recreation, feel free to email Leah or myself and we'll answer any questions that you may have. It doesn't even have to be about fitness and wellness will will answer any facility questions, will answer any program. Other program questions that you may have and if we can't answer it will direct you to the right people. That's one of the things that Leah and I are always running into, and have issues with, is that when we're tabling on campus or when we provide something on social media, somebody may see it and go, "oh, I know you have this."
[00:25:16.640] - Jake
Or they'll come up to us and say, man, "I wish you were doing this." And we go, "we do." Here is this information or here's what we have to be able to offer those things. It's just trying to be able to get the word out and know that what you're looking for may already be here. If we can get people who are maybe interested within the trans theoretical model, you know, within their contemplation, contemplation phases, if we can get these individuals who are thinking about fitness or know nothing about fitness and maybe want to get started, if we could figure out how to get everybody to get started, you know, that would that would be amazing.
[00:25:58.340] - Jake
Know we still haven't crack that code yet as really fitness and wellness professionals, because there's so many different factors that contribute to that. Each individual is a little bit different from where they're at within that model so or within those different phases. So kind of figure out you as a student or you as an individual where are you at? Do not know much about fitness? Is that what you need to gain more information, maybe a personal trainer assessment and joining in to answer those questions?
[00:26:28.760] - Jake
Is it you know, you don't quite feel comfortable within the facility? OK, we do have virtual offerings. We can do it to figure out where you're at and then see what kind of offerings we provide or give us a call and we can try to help guide you. To spark your ability to get in the facility and start your fitness and wellness journey. Because, you know, as much as we'd love you to use our facilities and our programs, our first priority is, is helping individuals reach their fitness and wellness goals and to kind of get started with that.
[00:27:05.750] - Ashley
The point of feedback and just like welcoming discussion to is always great because, like, we don't know what we don't know. And we're we're either going to learn something from a student asking a question or be able to provide the "we already offer this conversation". Being open to those conversations, I think it's really nice to hear. And I think most of you have a staff at least at Campus Health and Campus Rec. Are very open to feedback or conversations. It's why we do all our surveys and want to know what students want more of, because ultimately we all have the same goal and it's the wellness of our students.
[00:28:03.470] - Ashley
It all leans towards building community, which I know all of the programs try to have that centralized mission. I think that's the great part about fitness is that people can find their community. I think it does motivate that connection and motivate that desire to keep coming back and feeling a part of something.
[00:28:32.150] - Ashley
I have one I have one last question, and it's really just fun way that students can get to learn about you all. So they're just our end of podcast questions. But before I ask you, was there anything else that I didn't ask that you wanted to share?
[00:28:49.750] - Leah
I think we covered some good stuff.
[00:29:10.850] - Ashley
Okay, So if you could only have three foods ever again, what would they be?
[00:29:17.600] - Jake
Pizza, bratwurst and sauerkraut.
[00:29:26.960] - Ashley
Is the sauerkraut going on, the bratwurst?
[00:29:29.060] - Jake
Goes on, everything!
[00:29:31.040] - Ashley
I like it. What about you Leah?
[00:29:34.640] - Leah
I'm so glad you gave this to us ahead of time, because I'm so indecisive about food, because I love food, so. My three foods, I picked one savory, one healthy and one sweet and I like a balance. I am not going to lie a motivator in me coming from the East Coast to Arizona is Mexican food. I absolutely love Mexican food. Tacos, particularly street style tacos, would be one. I love grapes, they're my favorite snack ever, and ice cream.
[00:30:39.570] - Ashley
Any flavor?
[00:30:48.630] - Leah
I definitely like chocolate and peanut butter. But if I was going to go a little bit more off the path, cake batter.
[00:31:06.560] - Ashley
The next question is if you had to choose breakfast or dinner.
[00:31:11.100] - Jake
Dinner, easy money.
[00:31:12.960] - Leah
Breakfast, every time.
[00:31:22.560] - Ashley
Crunchy tacos are soft tacos.
[00:31:26.170] - Jake
Crunchy.
[00:31:28.660] - Leah
Soft and corn not flour.
[00:31:36.640] - Jake
Gross
[00:31:36.640] - Ashley
(Laugh) You guys are like exact opposites, I love this so much.
[00:31:40.240] - Leah
We are such a good balance for each other.
[00:31:41.440] - Ashley
You really are. You're not going to have to share anything. OK, so if you can have dinner with any three people dead or alive, who would they be?
[00:32:02.850] - Jake
Robin Williams. Good. Probably Mother Teresa and. Um. John Wayne, I like that that's a very that's like an eclectic mix. And the Mother Teresa, all all it made me think of was, have you guys seen the new movie source? I haven't seen it yet, but it's deep for a kid's movie.
[00:33:06.000] - Leah
I went with, I guess, like a female powered team. My first one would be Michelle Obama, who is my birthday twin. I feel a deep connection to her as Capricorns. Yes, Michelle Obama for sure. Lizzo for her pop culture significance, like great music, amazing artists, but also that she's such a I guess I hate the word inspiration, but essentially for lack of a better term and inspiration and I guess an advocate for a lot of folks who don't see themselves in the industry.
[00:33:46.260] - Leah
And then Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
[00:33:54.840] - Ashley
I feel like Lizzo too is like a very good proponent of like "you do you." It's very much like an empowerment situation.
[00:34:05.670] - Leah
And I feel like a real person, too. I'm like, we don't need to talk about deep stuff. Like I'm cool with just talking about like music and I don't know.
[00:34:13.650] - Ashley
And maybe she'd bust out her flute and like, play a little situation for you.
[00:34:23.250] - Ashley
Thank you guys so much for being on the show today. We really appreciate what you do. And we will link to all of the information.
[00:34:39.800] - Leah
Thank you so much.
[00:34:40.790] - Jake
Yeah, thanks for all the hard work you do.
[00:34:42.730] - Ashley
This is great. My pleasure.
[00:35:00] - Ashley
That’s our show, thank you so much for listening. Please share with your friends and connect with us on all our Campus Health Social Channels, and email us at CHS-NutritionNavigators@email.arizona.edu to submit your questions and comments about the show. We are so excited to be bringing you monthly content to spark curiosity and further empower you to feel your best!
We are sponsored by Campus Health and are a program in Health Promotion and Preventive Services. We want to thank our colleagues LEeah and Jake for coming on the show and taking the time to talk with us about all the ways the Rec Center is making a welcoming space for all, it is truly about meeting people were they are at! So take up space, enjoy the movement and find what works for you!
We’d also like to thank our sound engineer, Brian Paradis, coordinator for undergraduate recruitment.
Until next time, be well Wildcats!